[Ryland]69ee™
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Post by [Ryland]69ee™ on Sept 10, 2005 1:10:11 GMT -5
Supposedly there's a scientist that blames it all on Japanese videogames or something like that.
Rather vague on this, I heard it on the radio while I was in the shower.
It annoys me how some celebrities are using this as an excuse for publicity. Seen that tiny wooden boat Sean Penn rowed to "save the refugees"? It was packed with cameramen! And you think he could afford more than that dinghy?
-- TF.
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Post by daybee on Sept 10, 2005 10:44:07 GMT -5
You would (might) think the odds of a democrat being the next president are greatly enhanced.....
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Post by [Logvin]69er™ on Sept 10, 2005 14:19:23 GMT -5
You would (might) think the odds of a democrat being the next president are greatly enhanced..... Yah, with the Republican presient sending all those damn hurricanes, who would vote for another?
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Post by 83R23RK R0807 on Sept 10, 2005 14:35:38 GMT -5
I wathced a lot of this on the news yesterday (first time I turned on the lying-brainwash box aka TV in like 3 months) and on CNN or MSNBC (cant remeber) there was a former FEMA bigwig that put it very true: The system is currently broken, throwing some new guy in there to head it will not fix it, that will just set him up for failure too. THe Guy praised clinton a lot (since he was in FEMA during clintons office) and tlaked about who bush has dismantled it since 2001. Im no libral but the points he made seemed VERY valid, and the bottom line was putting one new guy in charge wont do sheit.
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Post by [Midknight]69er™ on Sept 10, 2005 14:42:23 GMT -5
There needs to be a person in charge who actually knows what he/she is actually doing and has some type of experience in mass casualty disasters.
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Post by [Red_Voodoo]69er™ on Sept 10, 2005 18:51:13 GMT -5
There needs to be a person in charge who actually knows what he/she is actually doing and has some type of experience in mass casualty disasters. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending how you look at it), this country has never had to deal with 90 square miles of populated land under flood waters, a large percentage of a metropolitan area submerged with a sewage-laced sludge, and 100,000 plus refugees looking for a place to stay and necessities to survive. There is not one country on the face of this planet that is prepared to handle such a problem. Like 9/11 and its aftermath, this incident will re-write the procedures of disaster prevention and response. I see a lot of people pointing fingers, but the root of this goes a lot deeper than the petty political debate that has unfolded. By the way, somebody oughta stone Kanye West in making this disaster a racial issue. I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but this guy needs an education.
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Post by [LZ]69er™ on Sept 10, 2005 21:58:22 GMT -5
There needs to be a person in charge who actually knows what he/she is actually doing and has some type of experience in mass casualty disasters. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending how you look at it), this country has never had to deal with 90 square miles of populated land under flood waters, a large percentage of a metropolitan area submerged with a sewage-laced sludge, and 100,000 plus refugees looking for a place to stay and necessities to survive. There is not one country on the face of this planet that is prepared to handle such a problem. Like 9/11 and its aftermath, this incident will re-write the procedures of disaster prevention and response. I see a lot of people pointing fingers, but the root of this goes a lot deeper than the petty political debate that has unfolded. By the way, somebody oughta stone Kanye West in making this disaster a racial issue. I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but this guy needs an education. I partly agree with this arguement in the fact that it was way more then anyone expected. However, the afore mentioned FEMA report did cite this as 1 of 4 very possible disasters. And given this was back in 2001, I would think that something (even a skeleton evacuation plan) would have been put to paper. Of course if what robo is saying is true, then even if they did have a plan, it wouldnt have mattered. Heres the spooky part. Im not sure what all 4 FEMA predictions were, but the other 3 were: 1. terrorist attack on NY. 2. natural diaster in the gulf area, particularly New Orleans. 3. monumental earthquake in CA. So... if you live in CA, you may want to start thinking about moving to another state I agree on the racial issue. Im not saying its not a factor, but I think its being blown way out of proportion.
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[Ryland]69ee™
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Post by [Ryland]69ee™ on Sept 10, 2005 22:54:39 GMT -5
Quake in California? Well, thankfully, I live in a tranquil suburban area. Sure, if there were a massive quake here there'd be a lot of ruptured energy/water/gas lines, etc.... but we have pretty good food supplies. Likewise, most things here (rather, in my house at least) are bolted to something for safety. So no worries here.
Also, buildings here are built at minimum heights and with quakes in mind ahead of time. The freeways (if not firmly on the ground) have cut-off points to ensure that everything doesn't go kabloey.
Likewise, I believe we still have a lot of supplies from when my mom went nuts over "Y2K". I remember a Supermark (a Ralphs I think?) once having a sale on purified water (in plastic 2-gallon containers) for about a $ .30 each... no limit. We bought every one they had on the shelves that day, plus a few that they brought out on carts -- about 50. Filled up the entire back of a pickup.
Of course, none of those things would be the real worries of California after a massive quake. The fires brought on by all the broken gas lines would be a major problem (thinking back to the fire in San Francisco that resulted from an earthquake around the turn of the century). The strong onshore breeze would perpetuate the fires into the foothills, where there exists a large coverage of dry grasses. Not to mention, the resulting smoke and ash would sink back into the valleys and the coastal basins, reducing the air quality to dangerous conditions (it's happened before).
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Post by [Red_Voodoo]69er™ on Sept 10, 2005 23:38:04 GMT -5
I partly agree with this arguement in the fact that it was way more then anyone expected. However, the afore mentioned FEMA report did cite this as 1 of 4 very possible disasters. And given this was back in 2001, I would think that something (even a skeleton evacuation plan) would have been put to paper. Of course if what robo is saying is true, then even if they did have a plan, it wouldnt have mattered. Heres the spooky part. Im not sure what all 4 FEMA predictions were, but the other 3 were: 1. terrorist attack on NY. 2. natural diaster in the gulf area, particularly New Orleans. 3. monumental earthquake in CA. So... if you live in CA, you may want to start thinking about moving to another state I agree on the racial issue. Im not saying its not a factor, but I think its being blown way out of proportion. An evacuation plan to displace 300,000 people out in 48-60 hours? I may sound like a pessimist, but that's not going to happen. Their infrastructure is not designed for that type of exodus of people. I'm willing to bet that there was some mass evacuation procedure set up years ago (if not updated annually), but what is written on paper doesn't always execute as planned. Also, most of these emergency procedures aren't set up for unprecendented catastrophes. A terrorist attack in NY (such as a bomb or chemical agent) may have sections devoted to these types of problems. But who in their right mind ever thought that two aircraft filled with passengers would be plowed into high-rise buildings, and then minutes later, these buildings would fail completely and collapse on the helpless below? An earthquake or tsunami is even harder to plan for. Yeah... we can all get together a little disaster kit and put it under the bed, but trying to evacuate the public for these natural disasters is a logistical uncertainty. There are too many variables. The only time the human species seems to learn things is the hard way. Then history erases our memory, and it repeats itself. Maybe not at the same location, but somewhere else in the world some other time. Fortunately, I live in the central valley of California, so earthquakes are an extreme rarity. However, many of us here in the Sacramento area and the cities and towns along the Sacramento River are prone to flooding. My neighborhood is protected by a levee system that, at this very moment, is being upgraded by the Army Corp of Engineers to protect us from one of those "100 years floods". Even though the levees should almost but eliminate the threat of flooding, I am well aware that anything is possible. In fact, in 1997, Plumas Lake (named after an old lake that dried up hundreds of years ago) lived up to its namesake. The whole area was covered with 8-9 feet of water due to a levee breach a few miles away. Yeah... a little close for comfort. Here is another tidbit of information that maybe N.O. should have thought of a hundred years ago: The city of Sacramento regularly flooded after a wet winter in the 19th century, causing death and destruction in its wake. Some genius came up with the idea of raising the city level up several feet to help prevent this inconvenience. Now the only flooding downtown gets is localized street puddles due to some lazy citizens allowing their leaves to plug up the gutters. One neat thing came of this change: an underground city (although badly deteriorated by time) with brick walkways and abandoned storefronts several feet under a modern infrastructure. Here are some interesting links to check out regarding the history of flooding in my neck of the woods: www.safca.org/floodRisk/www.safca.org/floodRisk/floodThreat.htmlScrew the earthquakes! If anything, I better find a place on higher ground!
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Post by [XL]69er™ on Sept 11, 2005 3:07:05 GMT -5
Wow, I didnt know Sacramento was raised like that. I need to find some pics!
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Post by Hawaiigamer.com-Steve on Sept 11, 2005 5:50:12 GMT -5
SO True. I'm pretty much a pro Bush supporter but I strongly agree with the notion that all levels of Goverment failed to provide the most basic of neccesities following the aftermath of Katrina. Sad for all involved.
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Post by [LZ]69er™ on Sept 11, 2005 6:19:14 GMT -5
Actually, they wouldnt necessarily have to evacuate them that fast. They would just need to hole them up on high ground until everyone could be evacuated. If it wasnt for the lack of provisions, the plan to rally at the superdome wasnt a bad idea. But what you say is true, whats on paper doesnt always pan out.
Talking about NY, I was watching some documentary on 9/11 flight 93 on the history channel (I think). Of course hind sight is 20/20, but there was more than one opportunity to have apprehended these guys, or at least key people, but no one did anything. One kind of infuriating fact was that the FBI was notified that there were known terrorist that had arrived in the US. And what did the FBI do? Nothing, because they said they got their visas legally. Talk about BS, thats like allowing druggies to continue business because they pay their taxes.
On another occasion Atta (the leader) was detained upon returning to the US, because he had travelled out of the US on a expired visa. After telling some sob story about wanting to become a pilot in the US, what did the authorities do? They let him go. Sometimes you really have to wonder how many other things "slipped through their fingers"
That is some interesting facts about sacramento. Who knew? Would be kind of neat if they were able to turn a section of it into a museum. Go down in the basement and youre taken back in time. ;D
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